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Yes, I do too. 🙂 I've never really cared for the Kanji form, probably because I am not steeped enough in Japanese culture to have the same instinctive understanding of the symbolism that allows a native to remember such complex ideograms.
This is "Leon", the infamous "inventor" of the original Orgone Crystal Matrix. Your "reverse engineering" of the Matrix is VERY well thought out, and I'd like to discuss this further. Please check your email–I've sent you a lengthy letter concerning some of the points about which you were unsure. Stay in touch–I have a LOT of new ideas and applications which have surfaced in the 10+ years since I first created this technology.
… ah, so there was an underscore in the email address. I was not aware of that, and when I emailed the person who gave me your email address and told them that it did not work, they did not correct my rendering of it without one. Very very good to finally hear from you. 🙂
Possibly a reference to a common godform among elves in the Elenari language group currently known only as "the star goddess"; no proper name has yet been remembered.
*chuckles* A pastenblasten in several senses… to the best of my knowledge, it's the first new addition to the elven/elenari language dictionaries in many years, plus I went through the archives of the long-since defunct Alorya mailing list all the way back to 1999 to compile it as well as the two elven/elenari language dictionaries already compiled.
As for the star goddess, I honestly don't know if it is Allara or not. Every time I have seen people refer to her, it has simply been as "the star goddess", and never with a proper name. The only reference to an elven goddess's name being Allara that I'm finding at the moment is Aiaquel's essay on the Katur'Ali, and he does not describe her as a star goddess, just as "the elven creator". Plus, I'm not sure who remembered the words associated with that entry. That one was taken from the old Elven Language Dictionary on Rialian's site, where it was simply marked as an Aloryan ("Alloryen") word with no specific attribution. I'm guessing it was either Arhuaine, Casteglan, Anadrael, or Firebird given the time period the Elven Language Dictionary was being compiled, or possibly Syndramise. Perhaps one of them will see this post and chime in with more information…
Ah… I was thinking that star goddess would == creatrix, so if Allara == creatrix then Allara == star goddess.
I thought I had this from hearing Syleniel using it, actually (I particularly have a memory of the first Dancing I went to where she made some kind of berry tart things which were charged with this energy?), but I might be misremembering. I'm not sure if I've heard A'hri'l use it.
*shrugs* Possibly star goddess does == creatrix for some elves… not sure. On Alorya, there is a legend about a dragon singing the world into existence, who is revered as a goddess, but I do not believe she == Allara. The only name I've seen applied to her was "the Dana", though I don't know if that was a remembered name or a placeholder name. I personally have no memories of a star goddess on Alorya at this time, and I don't remember others from Alorya mentioning one. Really wish I knew who was responsible for that entry on the word list so I could find out more.
The star goddess – the name Allana doesn't feel familiar to me at all, nor does Dana (I'm pretty sure that's a place-holder from somewhere). Arhuaine and Anadrael knew her only as "The World-Dragon" but she could as easily be described as a Star goddess, since that's where, according to the story I remembered, that she came from. I wonder, actually, if she ever had a given name at all.
Arhuaine and I clearly disagreed on some things too. What she called Cosain (the pathways "between") I called Heraneth. Maybe a dialect difference? Or it may be that Cosain referred more specifically to the stones themselves and Heraneth to the Paths. Not entirely sure about that.
And the numbers, particularly the larger composite ones, something strikes me as "off" about them but I can't pinpoint exactly what it is.
One other thing I noticed that hadn't occurred to me before, because this is the first time I've seen this list so complete. The word "Eshira" for "beloved" actually contains the root word "two". Which makes me wonder what the suffix "-ira" means, and what is the more literal translation of this word.
Allara seems somehow contrived to me… like someone tried to derive the name of the Dragon by taking the word Alorya and feminizing it.
I'll definitely add Hereneth to the list… and I'll speculate that possibly Cosain is a term she heard used at Redhill, rather than among other elves? Not sure, just a thought.
I think Wenna remembered some of the lower numbers, and then started trying to derive the larger numbers logically rather than remembering them. Not necessarily a bad idea, but not necessarily accurate either. I'm also intrigued by the fact that this system of numbers lacks a zero, which would seem to indicate it was used more for quick-figuring like the old "score" system for counting in units of twenty than for higher mathematics.
Good catch on Eshira. Wish I could tell you what -ira means, but so far I have no idea.
"the name Allana doesn’t feel familiar to me at all"
Allara, that is?
"nor does Dana (I’m pretty sure that’s a place-holder from somewhere)"
I would think so, too, since it's obviously the same as the Earth faery/sidhe-mother by that name, although it's possible it's a coincidence. I wonder if it might be a product of the way it seems people used to use "elf" and "sidhe" and (to a lesser degree) "faery" fairly interchangeably in earlier days (ca. late 90s).
Some of these words do resonate – the meaning if not the word itself. I don't recollect the word "cosain", but the Paths/Starways are familiar. Y'lairn and Yllirien are very similar. The difference could be attributable to a different language, or to the fact that there was an Illirien in the area of ancient Greece that may have influenced my inner perception of the word.
*nods* For me, some resonate and some don't. It feels, IMO, as though there are multiple "families" of languages involved. Possibly different languages used in different contexts? The closest example I can think of from earth-history would be the period of Norman rule in Britain. The Normans were the ruling class in that era and spoke French, while the common folk spoke what is known as "Old-English" or Anglo-Saxon. Also in that time period, Latin was used as the ritual language of the Church, so at least three different languages were used essentially side by side in different contexts. I wonder if something similar, if not quite the same, was going on with regard to Alorya and possibly some of the other elven languages. I've noticed in several cases that words said to be from the same cultural group or world don't seem to share much in common, but often seem to share roots, prefixes, and suffixes with words from other elven cultures and worlds.
That makes sense. There are some concepts for which Arhuaine and I remembered different words though they basically mean the same thing (cosain & heraneth the one that springs to mind first). Then again, Alorya had contact with a number of different cultures including Listarii and Sidhe, so this doesn't really surprise me so much. After all, just think how many languages there are on Earth, and how different they are. We could well be remembering different languages without even realising it.
*nods* Sadly, it's really hard to tell without a far more complete picture of the language. They could be words meaning the same thing from different languages, or they could be synonyms within the same language. And even within a single language they could have etymological origins in different languages. Look at all the languages English has historically borrowed from.
Hmm… yes, they do. Oddly enough, even though I am the source who remembered one of them, I can't say either resonates very strongly with me. I wonder if they were from a language I either wasn't very proficient in or didn't use most of the time?
… do you think there is any chance that Herenath and Helath could be linguistically related? The concepts seem connected, and they appear to share some elements… the prefix He- and the suffix -ath.
Greece still has several languages in use – one spoken by the majority of people, one used in news reporting, another one used in churches, and many more dialects in villages and on the islands It's kind of a microcosm of what we might find with a collection of interacting places on a larger scale.
Interesting… I never would have thought that a particular language would be used for news reporting than regular speech. That's definitely a great example of the kind of situation I was thinking of, though. I had no idea that sort of thing was still going on, even today. I've only heard of historic examples.
You're welcome 🙂 I've been trying to get around to posting more of my memories publicly. I've noticed a trend in the otherkin community to move away from discussing memories, and I'm not certain it's healthy to the degree it's taken. I'm very much a proponent of being functional in the here-and-now, but I don't believe those of us who have non-human past life memories need to divorce ourselves from our memories to do that.
As for not having memories, I wouldn't worry about it. Memories are, in my opinion, one useful tool to understanding one's otherness. They're not the only one, though.
I miss her too. And you're very welcome, Cas. Glad you like how it turned out. It took me a while to find the right balance between what to share and what to hold back, for various reasons.
I remember the song within songs, the deep song within the land, the song trees. I also remember something that I thought of as "The Sword of Yllirien, the Star of Yllirien, and the Waters of Yllirien". It never occurred to me that all these may be the same thing until I read,
"I remember dancing with a rippling blade of sky-blue metal, like a mountain lake reflecting a clear sky in summer. The blade felt warm and alive in my hands as I moved, our motions flowing together with the deep inner Song of the land. We did not move to some fixed pattern, but in constant relation to the world around us, physical and nonphysical, what is and what may be. It is a skill I am trying to relearn."
A sword, a star, waters. Aliande, the joyful land.
I wish Arhuaine was still around and could talk with you about this. Apart from bladedancing, in that life I didn't do much direct work with the Song. That was more her forte. I've worked with similar concepts in other lives, though.
“The Sword of Yllirien, the Star of Yllirien, and the Waters of Yllirien”. It never occurred to me that all these may be the same thing until I read,[…]
Hmm… that makes me think of something from the listari language page. Barith, "Seas of Chance" as well as Halae-Han, "Walk the Water". Could water in this context be a metaphor for probability? Walking the Water a poetic term for Flow-Working, of which I would see Bladedancing as a specialized subset?
I'm not sure I understand the connection with the star, though.
Heraneth-Helath… It's possible there's some sort of connection between them since the meanings are similar and the sounds are still similar even without the juxtaposition of letters. Heraneth seems to convey multiple worlds, whereas Helath feels more local to me (going strictly by feel, so I'm not sure of any of this of course). Languages are separated by vast amounts of time as well as physical distances — but concepts sometimes congeal around similar sounding words in seemingly unrelated environments.
*nods* I have a tendency to see patterns, so similar words with similar meanings kind of jump out at me. Same with words that look like they might form a spectrum of ideas around certain core concepts. Or words that share structural elements (prefix, suffix, roots, etc).
Came across an old wordlist with a few we were missing, mostly place names and words derived from compound words. Decided to add them for the sake of completeness.
My subconscious could be deceiving me because of Eragon, but I had a dream a year or two ago where I was riding a blue dragon, as part of a job as like a mediator or a counselor or something like that. Now I wonder if I was remembering…
Heh, for me this wasn't a new response.. it's the one I sent her in 2005, I just decided to make it public now rather than keeping it in a friends-locked journal entry on LJ. But replying to it doesn't make you a derp… she's probably hanging onto them in case she ever writes an updated second edition or a further book on the subject. It wouldn't surprise me if she's still getting quite a few.
"Sadly, it’s really hard to tell without a far more complete picture of the language. They could be words meaning the same thing from different languages, or they could be synonyms within the same language. And even within a single language they could have etymological origins in different languages."
— I think that this is probably very likely.
Incidentally, the first word that struck a chord in me on the Elenari language list was Clarash (where it was listed as "Aloryen", IIRC). Unfortunately, even with a longer list of words used in Alorya, I can't be completely sure that I spoke (and was presumably) Aloryan.
But for what it's worth, a few years ago I did seem to remember one phrase of language. It was "Ha Da", a sort of command or exclamation that felt akin to "stop, shut up." Long A sounds, with the d in "Da" slightly softer than the English pronunciation.
It may not have been anything. And I don't know that I'm Aloryan myself (though I'm beginning to suspect it). But it's an interesting wordlist. Extremely interesting.
Feywood is very likely defunct and I'd recommend removing it from a FAQ which goes to some effort to describe currently live resources. (My current thought on it was that it was an experiment that didn't really pan out.)
MythiCalia is at the very least on indefinite hiatus. It's probably worth leaving in as I would like for interested parties to be able to find it (if people exist, it would be un-hiatused), but with a disclaimer to that effect.
I am having a really hard time with the colours in this scheme; I can't browse the site for long without getting some serious eyestrain. But that's just me.
I do better with darker backgrounds and light text, or less saturated background colours and clear dark text. The green here is really bright on my screen, and the medium blue link colour is enough of a contrast that it floats on top of the background for me.
It's probably only an issue for people like me who have visual impairments, and/or suffer from migraines triggered by eyestrain and lighting conditions.
That's great information to have, though. I tried to get feedback on my last site design from folks with visual impairments before, but nobody really spoke up.
Let me play around with it a bit more and see what I can do to make the site more friendly…
The light green is pretty bright. I find it less immediately fatiguing than the orangish on dark, but I dunno how long I could stare at this color either.
Changes are being plotted, mostly trying to decide if I'm going to stick to a green theme with different saturation and different colored links, or change to a light blue theme as long as I'm changing things…
How does this look instead? I tried to go with less saturated colors and darker text, though I might still need to change the link color… let me know what you think.
I'm not sure if "Annual California Based Gather in September" is quite accurate as it seems optimistic (in 2010 I thought it was finally annual as we'd had one two years in a row, but then there was the having to cancel 2011…), but it's probably reasonable to remove the "on hiatus" disclaimer on MythiCalia for this year.
So, I couldn't sleep (too much caffeine) and I ended up doing some random searching and I came across this article, which I thought was really interesting in connection with my own memories of eating meat while thinking of myself primarily as stag. To me, it speaks of a deep pragmatism that is inherent to the experience of being animal.
Thank you for sharing this! This was a fascinating read – especially the bits about meat consumption, I've wanted to write on the subject for some times but haven't found the right words yet. Also, people might jump the gun because this isn't about past lives or a more distant reality/time, it's about my consumption of meat in this human world and people may get uncomfortable at the graphic-ness of what I need to talk about, or may be offended by the simple fact that, yes, I eat animals. Aaanyway; reading you writing something that feels so intimate, it does inspire me to try harder, maybe I'll be able to write down my thoughts and feelings.
I'm glad reading this helped inspire you. 🙂 I'd be very interested in reading about your own experience of meat consumption as a therian, and how it compares to what I remember from my Jötnar life.
Afraid so. The problem seems to be abating, though. Thing about botnets is that they don't last long when actively used for a DDoS attack. And we were able to mitigate the attack in various ways as well, even during the height of it.
As far as I can see nothing is wrong with the board. Clicking add topic is working just fine for me. Try reloading it, and possibly clearing cache/cookies/etc? It may have been a temporary problem. If that doesn't work, let me know what Browser/OS combination you're using and I'll investigate further. 🙂
I love your article on Glamorbombing! The word struck me, it's like saying whipcreamrazor-not two words you'd ever think would go together,r but somehow rises up and turns you into a fit of giggles. When I said Glamorbombing, I got the sensation of being in an asylum looking out a rain streaked window-pane, smiling because a Raven just pooped on the head of the orderly who likes to call me crazy. For some adults who wander in to my shop, a place of in-between, there is still a teeny bit of glitter, that we call Faerie Dust, Jarandhel. It can be very important you see, for some it's the physical, sparkly connection to the inner child, whose imagination means everything if one is ever going to see and hear and touch again. I do hope you'll take a look! (we're in Lakeland Florida in case there's more than one) We're so happy to have a word to describe what we do…Glamorbombing!
Scheduling for meetups has become a bit iffy at present. Working on figuring out a new schedule that works for enough people to make it worthwhile to keep holding them.
So either your rituals work 100 per cent or your playing at magic? Sheesh and I thought I was being an arsehole for suggesting that people needed to train under someone rather than reading a few books. If you had said "doing magic" I might have agreed with you… It does not matter if you are a shit magician to start with, a ritual every day for a few years will iron out a lot of kinks. But sometimes rituals do not work for many different reasons no matter how competent you might be. The secret is in the doing and most people who do not study, read books or work within a group structure don't. Next time you need an operation… would you chose a surgeon who had trained at a university and then learnt under another expert… or someone who picked it up from a book? No matter what results they claimed to have you would always trust the person who had some degree of training. Why is occultism any different? A good Golden Dawn group takes five years to create someone who is trained to "adept level" they should know more than someone who has worked with Don Kraigs book for the same length of time and have much more magical experience. Sure it is not always possible and some groups are just crap, but that does not mean that system is worse than however you trained yourself. BTW part of the problem with the spirit pot is EXACTLY my point. One of the things that gets knocked out of you in training is this literal thing. Solomon putting 72 spirits into one jar was a token of his power over them… not locking them up. If you locked up satan (for example) would that mean there was no evil in the world? Putting a spirit in a pot is symbolic of your control over them not a literal pot with a spirit in them.
Mr. Farrell, thank you for joining the conversation here. You seem, however, to be fighting with demons of your own making in much of your reply. Perhaps you would consider binding them more securely? I never stated a particular percentage of magical workings that needed to produce results in order to be considered working magic rather than playing at it, much less a 100% success rate. I did, however, put forward the metric of achieving tangible real-world results through magic as a measure of whether one is working at magic or playing at it. I think that such a metric is self-explanatory, don't you? If your magical workings are never producing real results in the world around you, it's fairly obvious that they are little more than mental masturbation. Hence, playing at magic. If, however, you can produce results with some regularity you are working at magic. I would consider the mage producing such results with greater frequency and reliability a better and more successful mage than one producing results with less frequency and reliability. That is what being "adept" in magical operations is supposed to be about, no? That is, I believe, the same standard that university trained surgeons are held to – those who achieve real-world results with a reasonable rate of success are successful surgeons. Those who do not, regardless of their training, lose their license to practice.
Your question, of course, also assumes that the training occult groups provide is equivalent to the level and quality of training provided by universities. I find that assumption suspect, given the wide variety of occult groups operating from different and often contradictory principles and the extreme secrecy practiced by many occult orders. You simply do not find that with university training in medical fields, even though medicine is undoubtedly a field which can cause much harm in the wrong hands or practiced irresponsibly. Nor do we see occult groups producing generation after generation of individuals who go out into the world and produce clear results with their practices, as universities do with surgeons. As such the training provided by esoteric groups may be more on the level of that provided by colleges of homeopathy than colleges which produce surgeons, and the lay person with a basic knowledge of first aid that they learned from a book is very likely to be more effective at maintaining health in others than the highly trained purveyor of overpriced water.
As for your final point regarding the spirit pot, I think that nicely illustrates my point regarding your original article being an attempt to de-legitimize those who don't follow a set list of traditions that you approve of. Your tradition interprets the Brass Vessel of Solomon, and the idea of spirit vessels in general, as symbol and metaphor. That dogma is the basis of Golden Dawn training on the subject. Other magical traditions, including the Afro-Caribbean traditions, do not share this view. Many would consider the example and questions you posed a sign of a great Mystery, akin to the Catholic Mystery of Transubstantiation, rather than an argument to view their tradition's practices as merely symbolic. I think it is far more likely that the original author or authors of the Lemegeton would had viewed their work in this same way, rather than in the way that your tradition has reinterpreted it in the modern era, and I believe the extensive study that Jake Stratton-Kent has done of the Grimoire tradition during that time period supports that view. But more than that, I think two questions must be asked: Was the original person who was using Afro-Caribbean spirit pot techniques with Goetic demons successful in his or her workings, did they achieve the intended real-world results? And if so, how did those real-world results compare to the real-world results of equivalent rituals done by occultists such as yourself who view it simply as symbol and metaphor and have not allowed their Goetic practices to be informed by spirit pot techniques from other traditions?
Sigh….Training in a university requires book learning. However Learning on the job is not safe either so what about both? Still keeping in the context You can learn ritual from a book since I do not think any one is born with the knowledge. Training is not always optimal either. The truth of the matter is that no matter how you learn you accomplish very little without application. Um…practice is a good place but good practice is even better. If you learn from good books the knowledge is good on the other hand? Training gives you a set. So do you stay within that set or expand you knowledge base? Nothing is written in stone where magic or ritual or anything occult elated. What it comes down to is a matter of opinion and everyone is entitled. Surgeons are doctors first the specialty of surgeon is a skill set. Fact is everyone has to start somewhere or there would be no one to carry on at all. I know a fellow whom without training explored all that he could fine and he applied it in trial and error and studied some more. he eventually got the training in more than one skill set and still working on yet another. He has a thirst and he has the drive to find where he needs to be. I have a library I have had a little training as in one or two traditions but I still refer to my library when I need reference. Not everyone can afford training gods it can be pricey. So do you simply quit?
I love this 🙂 This is the perfect type of conversation everyone should have. I personally have run across a few pretenders it is sometimes really obvious but to a person who is new it can be a mind field. That does not mean everyone is. I was asked if I was a practicing witch…(arched eyebrow) A friend whom was with me stated that I had no need to practice. That is not altogether truth in that we all need to practice and often. He was schooling a newbie on the differences in the pentagrams and he decided that if he was not this he must be that. I told him that he should do a bit more research before that kind of decision. He left what he was reaching for and walked away. I do not make a habit of doing such things but I was pulled to do so in that instance. Is the question what you know or what you do with it?
I don't know if I believe in destiny unless it is the end result of which path you choose to take. if we have multiple lives then there has to times they cross one another don't you think?
Nice!!! Was drawn here, through some sumerian research, and found Corey's symbols. And just read this article. Guess I am one of the ones you sent this out to, eh??? LOL.
I'm afraid I don't at present, and I'm not sure if or when I would have on hand both a willing volunteer and a photographer. In my personal experience, the hand positions are useful but not strictly necessary – as with the hand positions recommended in Takata's system of Reiki, they seem to be a system designed to let a practitioner easily cover the major organs and energy centers of the body in one session without missing or repeating any areas. In this respect they deviate from the original system of Reiki taught by Usui, which emphasized techniques by which the practitioner could locate illness/imbalance/blockages/etc either through "scanning" or direct intuition.
Hello! I’m a Red Fox Therian. Since I new here to the community and everything, I have no idea how things here work. and I’m looking forward to chatting with Those of the Same Kintype. ^^
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I like this symbol. The Kanji form of Hon Sha Ze Sho Nen always seems to mutate so it's not surprising that this form mutates as well.
Yes, I do too. 🙂 I've never really cared for the Kanji form, probably because I am not steeped enough in Japanese culture to have the same instinctive understanding of the symbolism that allows a native to remember such complex ideograms.
This is "Leon", the infamous "inventor" of the original Orgone Crystal Matrix. Your "reverse engineering" of the Matrix is VERY well thought out, and I'd like to discuss this further. Please check your email–I've sent you a lengthy letter concerning some of the points about which you were unsure. Stay in touch–I have a LOT of new ideas and applications which have surfaced in the 10+ years since I first created this technology.
… ah, so there was an underscore in the email address. I was not aware of that, and when I emailed the person who gave me your email address and told them that it did not work, they did not correct my rendering of it without one. Very very good to finally hear from you. 🙂
Wow, this is a pastenblasten!
Possibly a reference to a common godform among elves in the Elenari language group currently known only as "the star goddess"; no proper name has yet been remembered.
Is this Allara?
*chuckles* A pastenblasten in several senses… to the best of my knowledge, it's the first new addition to the elven/elenari language dictionaries in many years, plus I went through the archives of the long-since defunct Alorya mailing list all the way back to 1999 to compile it as well as the two elven/elenari language dictionaries already compiled.
As for the star goddess, I honestly don't know if it is Allara or not. Every time I have seen people refer to her, it has simply been as "the star goddess", and never with a proper name. The only reference to an elven goddess's name being Allara that I'm finding at the moment is Aiaquel's essay on the Katur'Ali, and he does not describe her as a star goddess, just as "the elven creator". Plus, I'm not sure who remembered the words associated with that entry. That one was taken from the old Elven Language Dictionary on Rialian's site, where it was simply marked as an Aloryan ("Alloryen") word with no specific attribution. I'm guessing it was either Arhuaine, Casteglan, Anadrael, or Firebird given the time period the Elven Language Dictionary was being compiled, or possibly Syndramise. Perhaps one of them will see this post and chime in with more information…
Ah… I was thinking that star goddess would == creatrix, so if Allara == creatrix then Allara == star goddess.
I thought I had this from hearing Syleniel using it, actually (I particularly have a memory of the first Dancing I went to where she made some kind of berry tart things which were charged with this energy?), but I might be misremembering. I'm not sure if I've heard A'hri'l use it.
*shrugs* Possibly star goddess does == creatrix for some elves… not sure. On Alorya, there is a legend about a dragon singing the world into existence, who is revered as a goddess, but I do not believe she == Allara. The only name I've seen applied to her was "the Dana", though I don't know if that was a remembered name or a placeholder name. I personally have no memories of a star goddess on Alorya at this time, and I don't remember others from Alorya mentioning one. Really wish I knew who was responsible for that entry on the word list so I could find out more.
The star goddess – the name Allana doesn't feel familiar to me at all, nor does Dana (I'm pretty sure that's a place-holder from somewhere). Arhuaine and Anadrael knew her only as "The World-Dragon" but she could as easily be described as a Star goddess, since that's where, according to the story I remembered, that she came from. I wonder, actually, if she ever had a given name at all.
Arhuaine and I clearly disagreed on some things too. What she called Cosain (the pathways "between") I called Heraneth. Maybe a dialect difference? Or it may be that Cosain referred more specifically to the stones themselves and Heraneth to the Paths. Not entirely sure about that.
And the numbers, particularly the larger composite ones, something strikes me as "off" about them but I can't pinpoint exactly what it is.
One other thing I noticed that hadn't occurred to me before, because this is the first time I've seen this list so complete. The word "Eshira" for "beloved" actually contains the root word "two". Which makes me wonder what the suffix "-ira" means, and what is the more literal translation of this word.
Allara seems somehow contrived to me… like someone tried to derive the name of the Dragon by taking the word Alorya and feminizing it.
I'll definitely add Hereneth to the list… and I'll speculate that possibly Cosain is a term she heard used at Redhill, rather than among other elves? Not sure, just a thought.
I think Wenna remembered some of the lower numbers, and then started trying to derive the larger numbers logically rather than remembering them. Not necessarily a bad idea, but not necessarily accurate either. I'm also intrigued by the fact that this system of numbers lacks a zero, which would seem to indicate it was used more for quick-figuring like the old "score" system for counting in units of twenty than for higher mathematics.
Good catch on Eshira. Wish I could tell you what -ira means, but so far I have no idea.
"the name Allana doesn’t feel familiar to me at all"
Allara, that is?
"nor does Dana (I’m pretty sure that’s a place-holder from somewhere)"
I would think so, too, since it's obviously the same as the Earth faery/sidhe-mother by that name, although it's possible it's a coincidence. I wonder if it might be a product of the way it seems people used to use "elf" and "sidhe" and (to a lesser degree) "faery" fairly interchangeably in earlier days (ca. late 90s).
Actually, I believe it's a product of using "place-holder" names for people/beings that had been remembered but whose names had not been remembered.
Some of these words do resonate – the meaning if not the word itself. I don't recollect the word "cosain", but the Paths/Starways are familiar. Y'lairn and Yllirien are very similar. The difference could be attributable to a different language, or to the fact that there was an Illirien in the area of ancient Greece that may have influenced my inner perception of the word.
*nods* For me, some resonate and some don't. It feels, IMO, as though there are multiple "families" of languages involved. Possibly different languages used in different contexts? The closest example I can think of from earth-history would be the period of Norman rule in Britain. The Normans were the ruling class in that era and spoke French, while the common folk spoke what is known as "Old-English" or Anglo-Saxon. Also in that time period, Latin was used as the ritual language of the Church, so at least three different languages were used essentially side by side in different contexts. I wonder if something similar, if not quite the same, was going on with regard to Alorya and possibly some of the other elven languages. I've noticed in several cases that words said to be from the same cultural group or world don't seem to share much in common, but often seem to share roots, prefixes, and suffixes with words from other elven cultures and worlds.
That makes sense. There are some concepts for which Arhuaine and I remembered different words though they basically mean the same thing (cosain & heraneth the one that springs to mind first). Then again, Alorya had contact with a number of different cultures including Listarii and Sidhe, so this doesn't really surprise me so much. After all, just think how many languages there are on Earth, and how different they are. We could well be remembering different languages without even realising it.
*nods* Sadly, it's really hard to tell without a far more complete picture of the language. They could be words meaning the same thing from different languages, or they could be synonyms within the same language. And even within a single language they could have etymological origins in different languages. Look at all the languages English has historically borrowed from.
Heraneth resonates much more than Cosain for me. Da'laern is also very resonant (the two words have a similar feel to me).
Hmm… yes, they do. Oddly enough, even though I am the source who remembered one of them, I can't say either resonates very strongly with me. I wonder if they were from a language I either wasn't very proficient in or didn't use most of the time?
Possibly so. The Da'Laern matrix was the one I felt most comfortable with too.
… do you think there is any chance that Herenath and Helath could be linguistically related? The concepts seem connected, and they appear to share some elements… the prefix He- and the suffix -ath.
It's "heraneth" not "herenath", which is much less similar to "helath". What's the meaning of "helath"? I can't find it on your list.
Hmm… good point, my mistake. Helath isn't an Aloryan word, it's from the Listari word list. "The paths or tapestry of worlds".
Greece still has several languages in use – one spoken by the majority of people, one used in news reporting, another one used in churches, and many more dialects in villages and on the islands It's kind of a microcosm of what we might find with a collection of interacting places on a larger scale.
Interesting… I never would have thought that a particular language would be used for news reporting than regular speech. That's definitely a great example of the kind of situation I was thinking of, though. I had no idea that sort of thing was still going on, even today. I've only heard of historic examples.
I'm glad you shared these. I don't have similar memories, or have not yet managed to recover them yet.
You're welcome 🙂 I've been trying to get around to posting more of my memories publicly. I've noticed a trend in the otherkin community to move away from discussing memories, and I'm not certain it's healthy to the degree it's taken. I'm very much a proponent of being functional in the here-and-now, but I don't believe those of us who have non-human past life memories need to divorce ourselves from our memories to do that.
As for not having memories, I wouldn't worry about it. Memories are, in my opinion, one useful tool to understanding one's otherness. They're not the only one, though.
Those are lovely. I miss Arhuaine. I should write down some of my own memories. Thank you.
I miss her too. And you're very welcome, Cas. Glad you like how it turned out. It took me a while to find the right balance between what to share and what to hold back, for various reasons.
I remember the song within songs, the deep song within the land, the song trees. I also remember something that I thought of as "The Sword of Yllirien, the Star of Yllirien, and the Waters of Yllirien". It never occurred to me that all these may be the same thing until I read,
"I remember dancing with a rippling blade of sky-blue metal, like a mountain lake reflecting a clear sky in summer. The blade felt warm and alive in my hands as I moved, our motions flowing together with the deep inner Song of the land. We did not move to some fixed pattern, but in constant relation to the world around us, physical and nonphysical, what is and what may be. It is a skill I am trying to relearn."
A sword, a star, waters. Aliande, the joyful land.
I wish Arhuaine was still around and could talk with you about this. Apart from bladedancing, in that life I didn't do much direct work with the Song. That was more her forte. I've worked with similar concepts in other lives, though.
Hmm… that makes me think of something from the listari language page. Barith, "Seas of Chance" as well as Halae-Han, "Walk the Water". Could water in this context be a metaphor for probability? Walking the Water a poetic term for Flow-Working, of which I would see Bladedancing as a specialized subset?
I'm not sure I understand the connection with the star, though.
Heraneth-Helath… It's possible there's some sort of connection between them since the meanings are similar and the sounds are still similar even without the juxtaposition of letters. Heraneth seems to convey multiple worlds, whereas Helath feels more local to me (going strictly by feel, so I'm not sure of any of this of course). Languages are separated by vast amounts of time as well as physical distances — but concepts sometimes congeal around similar sounding words in seemingly unrelated environments.
*nods* I have a tendency to see patterns, so similar words with similar meanings kind of jump out at me. Same with words that look like they might form a spectrum of ideas around certain core concepts. Or words that share structural elements (prefix, suffix, roots, etc).
Came across an old wordlist with a few we were missing, mostly place names and words derived from compound words. Decided to add them for the sake of completeness.
My subconscious could be deceiving me because of Eragon, but I had a dream a year or two ago where I was riding a blue dragon, as part of a job as like a mediator or a counselor or something like that. Now I wonder if I was remembering…
Great post.
Thanks. 🙂 I tried to put it down in words as close to the way it came to me as possible.
Good to see that someone else replied to the survey… now I don't feel like such a derp. I wonder what Lupa is doing with these new responses…
Heh, for me this wasn't a new response.. it's the one I sent her in 2005, I just decided to make it public now rather than keeping it in a friends-locked journal entry on LJ. But replying to it doesn't make you a derp… she's probably hanging onto them in case she ever writes an updated second edition or a further book on the subject. It wouldn't surprise me if she's still getting quite a few.
"Sadly, it’s really hard to tell without a far more complete picture of the language. They could be words meaning the same thing from different languages, or they could be synonyms within the same language. And even within a single language they could have etymological origins in different languages."
— I think that this is probably very likely.
Incidentally, the first word that struck a chord in me on the Elenari language list was Clarash (where it was listed as "Aloryen", IIRC). Unfortunately, even with a longer list of words used in Alorya, I can't be completely sure that I spoke (and was presumably) Aloryan.
But for what it's worth, a few years ago I did seem to remember one phrase of language. It was "Ha Da", a sort of command or exclamation that felt akin to "stop, shut up." Long A sounds, with the d in "Da" slightly softer than the English pronunciation.
It may not have been anything. And I don't know that I'm Aloryan myself (though I'm beginning to suspect it). But it's an interesting wordlist. Extremely interesting.
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Feywood is very likely defunct and I'd recommend removing it from a FAQ which goes to some effort to describe currently live resources. (My current thought on it was that it was an experiment that didn't really pan out.)
MythiCalia is at the very least on indefinite hiatus. It's probably worth leaving in as I would like for interested parties to be able to find it (if people exist, it would be un-hiatused), but with a disclaimer to that effect.
Ok, I'll adjust the FAQ accordingly in both cases. Thanks for the update! 🙂
All these rules seem reasonable to me.
-Audra
Minor additional change. The old banner just wasn't working.
I am having a really hard time with the colours in this scheme; I can't browse the site for long without getting some serious eyestrain. But that's just me.
Really? Hmm, I thought the lighter theme would be better for that. Any suggestions?
I do better with darker backgrounds and light text, or less saturated background colours and clear dark text. The green here is really bright on my screen, and the medium blue link colour is enough of a contrast that it floats on top of the background for me.
It's probably only an issue for people like me who have visual impairments, and/or suffer from migraines triggered by eyestrain and lighting conditions.
That's great information to have, though. I tried to get feedback on my last site design from folks with visual impairments before, but nobody really spoke up.
Let me play around with it a bit more and see what I can do to make the site more friendly…
The light green is pretty bright. I find it less immediately fatiguing than the orangish on dark, but I dunno how long I could stare at this color either.
Changes are being plotted, mostly trying to decide if I'm going to stick to a green theme with different saturation and different colored links, or change to a light blue theme as long as I'm changing things…
How does this look instead? I tried to go with less saturated colors and darker text, though I might still need to change the link color… let me know what you think.
This is more manageable. Thanks.
I'm not sure if "Annual California Based Gather in September" is quite accurate as it seems optimistic (in 2010 I thought it was finally annual as we'd had one two years in a row, but then there was the having to cancel 2011…), but it's probably reasonable to remove the "on hiatus" disclaimer on MythiCalia for this year.
Fixed. 🙂
Oh yes, much nicer.
So, I couldn't sleep (too much caffeine) and I ended up doing some random searching and I came across this article, which I thought was really interesting in connection with my own memories of eating meat while thinking of myself primarily as stag. To me, it speaks of a deep pragmatism that is inherent to the experience of being animal.
Thank you for sharing this! This was a fascinating read – especially the bits about meat consumption, I've wanted to write on the subject for some times but haven't found the right words yet. Also, people might jump the gun because this isn't about past lives or a more distant reality/time, it's about my consumption of meat in this human world and people may get uncomfortable at the graphic-ness of what I need to talk about, or may be offended by the simple fact that, yes, I eat animals. Aaanyway; reading you writing something that feels so intimate, it does inspire me to try harder, maybe I'll be able to write down my thoughts and feelings.
I'm glad reading this helped inspire you. 🙂 I'd be very interested in reading about your own experience of meat consumption as a therian, and how it compares to what I remember from my Jötnar life.
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Ah, is that why it's been so slow loading and actually failed to load at all one time the other day I was trying to direct someone to it….
Speaking of problems, there seems to be something amiss with the board? Clicking "Add topic" to make a new post seems to do nothing.
Afraid so. The problem seems to be abating, though. Thing about botnets is that they don't last long when actively used for a DDoS attack. And we were able to mitigate the attack in various ways as well, even during the height of it.
As far as I can see nothing is wrong with the board. Clicking add topic is working just fine for me. Try reloading it, and possibly clearing cache/cookies/etc? It may have been a temporary problem. If that doesn't work, let me know what Browser/OS combination you're using and I'll investigate further. 🙂
GREAT SITE! thank you Jarandhel for all the energy and time you have put into its creation and sharing it with all of us!
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I love your article on Glamorbombing! The word struck me, it's like saying whipcreamrazor-not two words you'd ever think would go together,r but somehow rises up and turns you into a fit of giggles. When I said Glamorbombing, I got the sensation of being in an asylum looking out a rain streaked window-pane, smiling because a Raven just pooped on the head of the orderly who likes to call me crazy. For some adults who wander in to my shop, a place of in-between, there is still a teeny bit of glitter, that we call Faerie Dust, Jarandhel. It can be very important you see, for some it's the physical, sparkly connection to the inner child, whose imagination means everything if one is ever going to see and hear and touch again. I do hope you'll take a look! (we're in Lakeland Florida in case there's more than one) We're so happy to have a word to describe what we do…Glamorbombing!
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Hey! It's nice to meet an active Otherkin :3. Contact me at @_Kawaii_Sketches_ (On instagram) I'd love to talk to you!Maybe we could even meet up?
Are any new meet ups coming up?
Scheduling for meetups has become a bit iffy at present. Working on figuring out a new schedule that works for enough people to make it worthwhile to keep holding them.
anyone here on tumblr?
Yep. http://jarandhel.tumblr.com here.
http://silveth.tumblr.com for me.
me too on tumblr:
OMG I found some of us still around and active! I hope to join a chat soon; I've been longing for my kind.
Now there is a name I've not seen in a long, long time…
Syndramise??? wow! Talk about a pastenblasten! You would have known me as Eshari, possibly.
So either your rituals work 100 per cent or your playing at magic? Sheesh and I thought I was being an arsehole for suggesting that people needed to train under someone rather than reading a few books. If you had said "doing magic" I might have agreed with you… It does not matter if you are a shit magician to start with, a ritual every day for a few years will iron out a lot of kinks. But sometimes rituals do not work for many different reasons no matter how competent you might be. The secret is in the doing and most people who do not study, read books or work within a group structure don't. Next time you need an operation… would you chose a surgeon who had trained at a university and then learnt under another expert… or someone who picked it up from a book? No matter what results they claimed to have you would always trust the person who had some degree of training. Why is occultism any different? A good Golden Dawn group takes five years to create someone who is trained to "adept level" they should know more than someone who has worked with Don Kraigs book for the same length of time and have much more magical experience. Sure it is not always possible and some groups are just crap, but that does not mean that system is worse than however you trained yourself. BTW part of the problem with the spirit pot is EXACTLY my point. One of the things that gets knocked out of you in training is this literal thing. Solomon putting 72 spirits into one jar was a token of his power over them… not locking them up. If you locked up satan (for example) would that mean there was no evil in the world? Putting a spirit in a pot is symbolic of your control over them not a literal pot with a spirit in them.
Mr. Farrell, thank you for joining the conversation here. You seem, however, to be fighting with demons of your own making in much of your reply. Perhaps you would consider binding them more securely? I never stated a particular percentage of magical workings that needed to produce results in order to be considered working magic rather than playing at it, much less a 100% success rate. I did, however, put forward the metric of achieving tangible real-world results through magic as a measure of whether one is working at magic or playing at it. I think that such a metric is self-explanatory, don't you? If your magical workings are never producing real results in the world around you, it's fairly obvious that they are little more than mental masturbation. Hence, playing at magic. If, however, you can produce results with some regularity you are working at magic. I would consider the mage producing such results with greater frequency and reliability a better and more successful mage than one producing results with less frequency and reliability. That is what being "adept" in magical operations is supposed to be about, no? That is, I believe, the same standard that university trained surgeons are held to – those who achieve real-world results with a reasonable rate of success are successful surgeons. Those who do not, regardless of their training, lose their license to practice.
Your question, of course, also assumes that the training occult groups provide is equivalent to the level and quality of training provided by universities. I find that assumption suspect, given the wide variety of occult groups operating from different and often contradictory principles and the extreme secrecy practiced by many occult orders. You simply do not find that with university training in medical fields, even though medicine is undoubtedly a field which can cause much harm in the wrong hands or practiced irresponsibly. Nor do we see occult groups producing generation after generation of individuals who go out into the world and produce clear results with their practices, as universities do with surgeons. As such the training provided by esoteric groups may be more on the level of that provided by colleges of homeopathy than colleges which produce surgeons, and the lay person with a basic knowledge of first aid that they learned from a book is very likely to be more effective at maintaining health in others than the highly trained purveyor of overpriced water.
As for your final point regarding the spirit pot, I think that nicely illustrates my point regarding your original article being an attempt to de-legitimize those who don't follow a set list of traditions that you approve of. Your tradition interprets the Brass Vessel of Solomon, and the idea of spirit vessels in general, as symbol and metaphor. That dogma is the basis of Golden Dawn training on the subject. Other magical traditions, including the Afro-Caribbean traditions, do not share this view. Many would consider the example and questions you posed a sign of a great Mystery, akin to the Catholic Mystery of Transubstantiation, rather than an argument to view their tradition's practices as merely symbolic. I think it is far more likely that the original author or authors of the Lemegeton would had viewed their work in this same way, rather than in the way that your tradition has reinterpreted it in the modern era, and I believe the extensive study that Jake Stratton-Kent has done of the Grimoire tradition during that time period supports that view. But more than that, I think two questions must be asked: Was the original person who was using Afro-Caribbean spirit pot techniques with Goetic demons successful in his or her workings, did they achieve the intended real-world results? And if so, how did those real-world results compare to the real-world results of equivalent rituals done by occultists such as yourself who view it simply as symbol and metaphor and have not allowed their Goetic practices to be informed by spirit pot techniques from other traditions?
Sigh….Training in a university requires book learning. However Learning on the job is not safe either so what about both? Still keeping in the context You can learn ritual from a book since I do not think any one is born with the knowledge. Training is not always optimal either. The truth of the matter is that no matter how you learn you accomplish very little without application. Um…practice is a good place but good practice is even better. If you learn from good books the knowledge is good on the other hand? Training gives you a set. So do you stay within that set or expand you knowledge base? Nothing is written in stone where magic or ritual or anything occult elated. What it comes down to is a matter of opinion and everyone is entitled. Surgeons are doctors first the specialty of surgeon is a skill set. Fact is everyone has to start somewhere or there would be no one to carry on at all. I know a fellow whom without training explored all that he could fine and he applied it in trial and error and studied some more. he eventually got the training in more than one skill set and still working on yet another. He has a thirst and he has the drive to find where he needs to be. I have a library I have had a little training as in one or two traditions but I still refer to my library when I need reference. Not everyone can afford training gods it can be pricey. So do you simply quit?
I just love this chat room 🙂
whoa someone who actually is near me? incredibel
I love this 🙂 This is the perfect type of conversation everyone should have. I personally have run across a few pretenders it is sometimes really obvious but to a person who is new it can be a mind field. That does not mean everyone is. I was asked if I was a practicing witch…(arched eyebrow) A friend whom was with me stated that I had no need to practice. That is not altogether truth in that we all need to practice and often. He was schooling a newbie on the differences in the pentagrams and he decided that if he was not this he must be that. I told him that he should do a bit more research before that kind of decision. He left what he was reaching for and walked away. I do not make a habit of doing such things but I was pulled to do so in that instance. Is the question what you know or what you do with it?
I don't know if I believe in destiny unless it is the end result of which path you choose to take. if we have multiple lives then there has to times they cross one another don't you think?
Nice!!! Was drawn here, through some sumerian research, and found Corey's symbols. And just read this article. Guess I am one of the ones you sent this out to, eh??? LOL.
would you have any actual pictures of the Imara Reiki hand positions?
I'm afraid I don't at present, and I'm not sure if or when I would have on hand both a willing volunteer and a photographer. In my personal experience, the hand positions are useful but not strictly necessary – as with the hand positions recommended in Takata's system of Reiki, they seem to be a system designed to let a practitioner easily cover the major organs and energy centers of the body in one session without missing or repeating any areas. In this respect they deviate from the original system of Reiki taught by Usui, which emphasized techniques by which the practitioner could locate illness/imbalance/blockages/etc either through "scanning" or direct intuition.
Hello! I’m a Red Fox Therian. Since I new here to the community and everything, I have no idea how things here work. and I’m looking forward to chatting with Those of the Same Kintype. ^^