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What do you guys think about "soulbonding"?
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Jarandhel Dreamsinger
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Is the information out there about soulbonding at all relevant to you as multiples/walkins?

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Good question. To be perfectly honest, at times the concept can provide a kind of solace, when the scepticism about my own memories and background gets too much and I think “How realistic is it that what I feel to be true about myself is really true?” At those times, the body's background info on the soulbonding concept has something that allows me to shrug off any self doubt and go “So what, I'm still myself and alive, true background be damned.” (This doesn't go for most of the rest of my system BTW, I'm a lot less 'either/or' about things and not too bothered about representing something absolutely factual or else.)

 

On the other hand, of course, it leads certain people to not be taken seriously because of certain other people, and apparently soulbonders and their “information” out there have done a good job of giving others a bad name. I could do without that.

 

As for any serious information that would help me any…. nah. Nothing like that.

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Anyone else have any thoughts?  I'm trying to figure out where the line really falls between fictionkin and soulbonding… some resources out there explicitly address one, some explicitly address the other, some address both, and I'm trying to figure out what would be useful to include in the Links Project and what would not.

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Jarandhel Dreamsinger said:

Anyone else have any thoughts?  I'm trying to figure out where the line really falls between fictionkin and soulbonding…


Oh, one thing to keep in mind that soulbonding doesn't necessarily refer to people who could otherwise be seen as / overlap with fictionkin. There's also historically a strong overlap with the multiplicity community, completely independent of established fictional works, or else “only” referring to the 'host's' 'original fiction' (using lots of quotation marks because getting all the terminology right for all instances and to everyone's satisfaction is impossible and I'm not even going to try). There's also been quite a bit of movement away from the former soulbonding community into various others (mainly multiplicity and fictionkin, as far as I know), and then again leaving by some who don't identify with these more explicit/solid background ideas about people at all and focus on the creative act. While the soulbonding community provided something of an umbrella term/community for a lot of phenomena, there have been huge trench wars at times about who 'these people in one's head' are, where they are from, and inhowfar they count as legit people and have human rights, responsibility and the like. I think that's what drove many people out and apart in the end and into other communities and small sub-groups of like-minded people.

I personally don't know anything about the state of the soulbonding community at present, because my people are among the ones that left along with many others. And it seems to be a case of “4 people, 5 viewpoints”, so take everything with a grain of salt. But it seems to be that if you consider yourself not the result of a creative act by an artist (your “host” or someone else), and you are intent on taking responsibility instead of being 'kept' in someone else's territory, the soulbonding community is not for you.

 

And you were asking about someone else's thoughts so this is all technically uncalled-for. wink

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Jarandhel Dreamsinger said:

Anyone else have any thoughts?  I'm trying to figure out where the line really falls between fictionkin and soulbonding… some resources out there explicitly address one, some explicitly address the other, some address both, and I'm trying to figure out what would be useful to include in the Links Project and what would not.


Re the line between soulbonding and fictionkin: as I use the terms, “soulbonding” refers to multiple systems in which one or more members can be considered a fictional character. “Fictionkin” on the other hand is something I use to refer to otherkin who read works of fiction as literally true and believe themselves to be from that fictional world, while not really realising it's fiction in the first place. In my experience the most common “fictionkin” are Paradise Lost angels and Tolkien elves.

 

IMO they're two very separate situations. One is saying “I have some kind of mental bond with the character of Captain Sisko. It's possible that he really exists out there and Deep Space 9 is some kind of channeled information about him. It's possible that the weight of Trek fans beliefs has somehow turned him into a real person on some other level of existence. It's also possible that he's such a strong archetype for a leader that I have integrated his image into my own self.” The other says “I was the third redshirt on the left, and by the way the new movie sucked because Kirk was not like that! It's all real, btw. Why are you talking about fiction? There's nothing fictional about it!”

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Archer said:

Re the line between soulbonding and fictionkin: as I use the terms, “soulbonding” refers to multiple systems in which one or more members can be considered a fictional character. “Fictionkin” on the other hand is something I use to refer to otherkin who read works of fiction as literally true and believe themselves to be from that fictional world, while not really realising it's fiction in the first place. In my experience the most common “fictionkin” are Paradise Lost angels and Tolkien elves.

While there have certainly been some dramatic examples of the latter (Maduin springs to mind), I don't think it's fair to define fictionkin as just those who fall into that stereotype.   

IMO they're two very separate situations. One is saying “I have some kind of mental bond with the character of Captain Sisko. It's possible that he really exists out there and Deep Space 9 is some kind of channeled information about him. It's possible that the weight of Trek fans beliefs has somehow turned him into a real person on some other level of existence. It's also possible that he's such a strong archetype for a leader that I have integrated his image into my own self.” The other says “I was the third redshirt on the left, and by the way the new movie sucked because Kirk was not like that! It's all real, btw. Why are you talking about fiction? There's nothing fictional about it!”

I know more than a few fictionkin who say things more in line with the former than the latter.  From what I've seen, I think the line between the two groups is more often found in whether or not the host (if there is one) believes the hosted being is a real separate entity.  A lot of the soulbonders don't seem to, while most fictionkin do.  Plus, fictionkin also covers the non-multiples who have the experience of having past lives in fictional locales.  Though, again, the line is fuzzy… I just found a soulbonding community that describes that as MDE: having a “multi-dimensional existence”.

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Part of the line is that soulbonding and fictionkin are not equivlent terms. Soulbonding is used by the group to refer to the group, whereas I have personally only seen “fictionkin” used in a derogatory sense.

 

As such, asking “what's the difference between fictionkin and soulbonding?” is, to me, more like asking “what's the difference between dumb crackers and black people?” than “what's the difference between white and black people?”

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Archer said:

Part of the line is that soulbonding and fictionkin are not equivlent terms. Soulbonding is used by the group to refer to the group, whereas I have personally only seen “fictionkin” used in a derogatory sense.

 

As such, asking “what's the difference between fictionkin and soulbonding?” is, to me, more like asking “what's the difference between dumb crackers and black people?” than “what's the difference between white and black people?”

I think that's the source of our differences… I have and do see fictionkin used by the group to refer to the group.  I personally prefer it over otakukin, the original term coined by the group as a self-reference, since a) the experience of being connected to fiction that way is not limited to manga, anime, and japanese video games and b) the word otaku has negative and unhealthy connotations in japanese.
 

Currently, there are a number of groups that use the term fictionkin in a self-referential manner:

http://community.livejournal.c…..st/profile

http://community.livejournal.c…..ds/profile

http://community.livejournal.c…../profile 

http://community.livejournal.c…..ls/profile

http://community.livejournal.c…..al/profile

http://www.facebook.com/group……3899186462

 

Obviously, this is a non-exhaustive list.

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Archer said:

Part of the line is that soulbonding and fictionkin are not equivlent terms. Soulbonding is used by the group to refer to the group, whereas I have personally only seen “fictionkin” used in a derogatory sense.

Doesn’t make sense to me the way I have seen the terms used. As Jarin pointed out, I’ve seen “fictionkin” used by such to refer to themselves. I do agree that they are not equivalent, but not because of one being derogatory – see below:

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I think the line between the two groups is more often found in whether or not the host (if there is one) believes the hosted being is a real separate entity. A lot of the soulbonders don’t seem to, while most fictionkin do.

Strange, my thought and experience is the other way around: soulbonders think of them as separate (and it makes more sense: how do you bond with something not external?) and fictionkin are whatever thing.

(Personally I’m a singleton however you slice it, although I do have a “spirit companion” – a term I much prefer to saying he’s my “soulbond” or whatever – who hails from a fictional universe. I was pretty skeptical about it until, as the phrase goes, it happened to me.)

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Strange, my thought and experience is the other way around: soulbonders think of them as separate (and it makes more sense: how do you bond with something not external?) and fictionkin are whatever thing.

I've seen a lot of soulbonders who consider soulbonding little more than having an imaginary friend or using characters to express parts of your personality.  Fictionkin, whether they're multiples or singletons, tend to view the experience as real.  Plus, the focus of the communities seem rather different… soulbonders seem to write a lot of fanfiction dealing with their soulbonds.  Fictionkin rarely write much fanfiction about their fictionalized lives.

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Old thread, I know, but…

 

Jarandhel Dreamsinger said:

Anyone else have any thoughts?  I'm trying to figure out where the line really falls between fictionkin and soulbonding… some resources out there explicitly address one, some explicitly address the other, some address both, and I'm trying to figure out what would be useful to include in the Links Project and what would not.

IMO, there is a bit of overlap with the terms, but in general… A soulbonder is a body that hosts two or more entities from various origins, whereas a fictionkin tends to be singular person who feels connected to a fictional person or world in some way. Soulbonders can be fictionkin, fictionkin can be soulbonders, but they're still different.

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“Fictionkin” on the other hand is something I use to refer to otherkin who read works of fiction as literally true and believe themselves to be from that fictional world, while not really realising it's fiction in the first place. In my experience the most common “fictionkin” are Paradise Lost angels and Tolkien elves.

 

I… am not sure that's exactly how I would describe it. Biased of course, since I am fictionkin myself, but I don't see my “source media” as literally true. I see it more like the movie Titanic; based on things that could have happened elsewhere, but through an author's filter. The author's version gets published and becomes canon, but it's still one version of many possible versions. Most fictionkin aren't going to point out a media and go “homg that is literally how it went down to the paint color on the walls”. And while that sounds strange to you, I'm sure… we do realize the movie/book/show/game is fiction. Hence “fictionkin”. The point being, most fictionkin see fiction not as “fake”, but as “a story that could stem from a world/realm/planet/universe/plane/whatever that isn't here”. An interpretation of events and/or people from elsewhere. So… it's not “these kooks who don't get that Sephiroth is fake” or whatever. ^^;

 

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Part of the line is that soulbonding and fictionkin are not equivlent terms. Soulbonding is used by the group to refer to the group, whereas I have personally only seen “fictionkin” used in a derogatory sense.

 

As such, asking “what's the difference between fictionkin and soulbonding?” is, to me, more like asking “what's the difference between dumb crackers and black people?” than “what's the difference between white and black people?”

… I have never, ever seen that. o_o Fictionkin is an entirely different thing than soulbonding, and while a type of otherkin, not exactly the same as otherkin either. Sure, some people look down on fictionkin, but the term isn't derogatory any more than “dragonkin” would be derogatory. It's just a specific type of kin is all. “What's the difference between fictionkin and soulbounding?” is much closer to “what's the difference between the nerdy girl in the corner reading Naruto and that group of con girls over there dressed like Sailor Senshi?” than anything else.

 

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Arethinn said:

Strange, my thought and experience is the other way around: soulbonders think of them as separate (and it makes more sense: how do you bond with something not external?) and fictionkin are whatever thing.

I've seen a lot of soulbonders who consider soulbonding little more than having an imaginary friend or using characters to express parts of your personality.  Fictionkin, whether they're multiples or singletons, tend to view the experience as real.  Plus, the focus of the communities seem rather different… soulbonders seem to write a lot of fanfiction dealing with their soulbonds.  Fictionkin rarely write much fanfiction about their fictionalized lives.

Huh. Most of the soulbonders I know consider themselves multiple a good deal of the time, and accept that the experience… regardless of the cause… is real. They see their headmates as real people and treat them as such. And I think the reason for the fanfic writing and roleplaying has to do with the fact that… soulbonding, the term sort of originated in writing circles if I remember correctly. ^^; I wouldn't say fictionkin rarely write fanfictiion. Most of the ones I know, and myself, do so. That said, most of the ones I know… and myself… like to express things through creative outlets, and for a majority of us, our preferred outlet is writing. Some of my friends prefer music, some prefer art. But yeah… it's more because writing is useful, I think… kin or not, multiple or not, soulbonder or not.

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Frostfall said:

IMO, there is a bit of overlap with the terms, but in general… A soulbonder is a body that hosts two or more entities from various origins, whereas a fictionkin tends to be singular person who feels connected to a fictional person or world in some way. Soulbonders can be fictionkin, fictionkin can be soulbonders, but they're still different.

“Of various origins”?  The way you phrase that makes it sound like they could come from anywhere, fictional world or not.  For me, that aligns much more closely with what I understand an http://www.kinhost.org/wiki/Ma…..kinHosts  And it's very clear that the original concept of soulbonding did not involve multiplicity:

Note the lack of “fronting”, and that it's all just “characters talking”—there's no mention of soulbonds having any active participation in the “bonder's” life beyond conversation. It's a passive experience, “people you've got a connection with”, and it never involves allowing control of the body to pass from one person to another.

Also, from the old Soulbonding FAQ:

Q: I'm worried about you. Isn't this “SoulBonding” thing awfully like possession/Multiple-Personality Disorder/schizophrenia?
A: Firstly, no, it is not demonic possession. I'm not sure I believe in such a thing anyway, and even if I did, I very much doubt that any such demons would take the form of videogame characters and fluffy, half-animal half-sprite critters. =P As for “MPD”, that's an entirely different issue. Many SBers seem to want to claim as much distance from Multiples as possible, but multiplicity – the existence of more than one person in one body – is not abnormal or disordered if the system exists healthily and works together (as most do), and has many things in common with SBing. What they appear to be is points along a continuum, and they are certainly related, thought to say that SBing is multiplicity is inaccurate. (Read this essay for a greater insight into the continuum between the two.) Schizophrenia – unlike multiplicity – is a true mental disorder, and is unrelated to SBing or multiplicity. Schizophrenics are unstable, unable to cope in everyday society, and often dangerous to themselves and others. SoulBonders are not that, and neither are Multiples.

So at least historically, there's some separation between Soulbonders and Multiples.  I don't know if that still holds true today or not.

I wouldn't say fictionkin rarely write fanfictiion. Most of the ones I know, and myself, do so. That said, most of the ones I know… and myself… like to express things through creative outlets, and for a majority of us, our preferred outlet is writing. Some of my friends prefer music, some prefer art. But yeah… it's more because writing is useful, I think… kin or not, multiple or not, soulbonder or not.

Most of the fictionkin that I know don't feel that way.  Perhaps they're a bit more private about their experiences.  Not everyone's memories of the past are positive ones.

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To my knowledge, headmates (or soulbonds or whatever you'd want to call them) can and do come from anywhere. I have seen soulbonders with a Harry Potter, and I have seen a soulbonder that apparently housed all of the band members from Panic! At The Disco. Both people considered themselves soulbonders. Granted, there are many terms out there for the same or similar phenomena, so it doesn't surprise me that there's another term for that sort of thing.

 

And hm… Maybe things have changed. I arrived a bit late onto the soulbonding “scene”. ^^; But the people I know do state they are multiple/median/etc. Perhaps that's just the overlapping thing, or perhaps terms have changed to be more inclusive to soulbonders who identify as multiple… I don't know.

 

As for the writing thing, maybe. I don't tend to share my writing with others; I'm sure most people either keep it to themselves or don't directly state that it's a kin thing. Of course not all of the memories are pleasant… many of mine certainly aren't… but writing in general can be quite useful for getting it out of one's system. Sort of like art therapy. :] But not everyone feels that way. People deal with things differently. Some people move on quickly, some steam over it for a bit and then heal, and some of us poke it with sticks until it becomes boring. Eh. If that makes sense… o_o

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