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Alorya and Ljossalfheim: some information
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Apologies if this is in the wrong part of the forum. I wasn't sure where it should go.

So, as some of you know from my introduction elsewhere, I'm from Ljossalfheim. I was originally Aloryan. My understanding of how I came to be in Ljossalfheim is that I was adopted there while still an infant.

Alorya and Ljossalfheim seem to have ties, as others have noted. I am very familiar with the Norse cosmological construct called the Nine Worlds, of which Ljossalfheim is one. It has long been my belief, and that of a few friends of mine who also work within this cosmology, that the Ljossalfar came from “elsewhere,” meaning that they did not originate along with the other races of the Nine Worlds (the Jotnar or giants, dwarves, Aesir, etc.) From what elven realm, none of us had any idea. They apparently built their realm alongside the other worlds that rest near Yggdrasil (which is popularly conceived of as a “world tree” — I have an idea it might be something else, but it is so large and old that a tree seems like a useful way to think of it.)

Recently I had a flash of insight, I guess you could call it, and it occurred to me that perhaps Ljossalfheim was “colonized,” if you will, by elves who were originally from Alorya. This would have been a long, LONG time ago. My understanding is that the elven population in the Nine Worlds has been there quite some time. Judging from my own experiences and interaction with the beings there, and from similar experiences I've heard about from others, there also seems to be a population of what most people call “fae” living in Ljossalfheim, with the elves descended from the Aloryans forming a separate ruling class…very much like popular conceptions of elves, I expect.

My personal experience with the Ljossalfar as they are now is that while they are fair-formed, typically “elven” in many ways and very keen on glamouring themselves and every square inch of their realm, they are also rather rigid and consider other races — the Jotnar in particular — to be beneath them. Apparently this attitude was part of a disagreement that created a schism at some point and a subsequent civil war, after which the losers were forced out of Ljossalfheim and sought refuge in the world inhabited by the Duergar (dwarves), known as Svartalfheim.

Another thing I have gleaned over the past few years is that the Ljossalfar's bloodlines are thinning out; centuries of inbreeding has left them weak and they seek to replenish their bloodlines by either abducting humans with elf blood and having children with them, or (in my case) arranging to adopt elf children from less inbred populations. If I had to say when, my rough guess is that I was adopted about two thousand years ago current Earth time…so evidently Alorya was still around at that time or at least some of its people were.

The Svartalfar, as far as I know, don't have the blood issue. They are fewer in number than the Ljossalfar but have half-elves among them, and although they seem insular they are less snobbish about bloodlines than their cousins. They tend to scare people more thanks to the fact that they are rather bloodthirsty.

Both populations know of their common origin but have long since stopped considering themselves Aloryans. They are so different as to be different sorts of elves entirely.

So that's what I know, or think I know. Some of this information is stored in the back of my brain where all the elf things are that I haven't bothered to unearth yet in this lifetime, and some of it has been corroborated by other Northern Tradition spirit-workers and people who deal with the elves of the Nine Worlds, and some of it is conjecture. Make of it what you will.

I hope this is useful to others, or at least entertaining 🙂

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ViridianElf said:

Apologies if this is in the wrong part of the forum. I wasn't sure where it should go.

I'm going to try to keep all of the posts that are 100% about memories in the Awakening section, just so it's easier for people to find things later if they need to refer to something.  Not a big deal at all, and I've moved it there now. smile

 

The rest of the post is very interesting, and I feel like I'm going to need to take a bit to digest it fully before I can intelligently comment.  Thank you for sharing it!

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ViridianElf said:

My personal experience with the Ljossalfar as they are now is that while they are fair-formed, typically “elven” in many ways and very keen on glamouring themselves and every square inch of their realm, they are also rather rigid and consider other races — the Jotnar in particular — to be beneath them.

Interesting. You could say all of these things in varying degrees about the sidhe, too. I disagree with the claim some make that “alf” and “(daoine) sidhe” are just words from different languages to describe the same beings, but I do wonder if there’s a kind of “common ancestor” sort of kinship.

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This somehow rings true and makes a whole lot of sense to me, but I couldn't get into specifics if I tried.  At least not right now.

You see, several members of my partner-system, and myself, remember this place we simply refer to as “elf place” that had a very Nordic (as in cultural and as in Germanic) aspect.  There are, I imagine, some strong parallels to the nine worlds of Norse mythology.  At the very least, it might be one of the places that was based off of the elf worlds in said mythologies.

In addition, there are some people who specifically recall me being in Alorya, though I haven't uncovered those memories myself yet.  I get the instinct that that is the same life, but in two different worlds.  I cannot parse, and I don't know enough information to speak authoritatively on this yet.

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Ok, brain has digested this a bit more…

It's interesting to me that there's the same light elf/dark elf split you see on Alorya itself, though the reasons for the split seem vastly different.  If anything, I would have described the dark elves on Alorya as the more insular and concerned by bloodlines.  The light elves, at least the individuals I have the clearest memories of, seemed fairly promiscuous in that regard.  I'm aware of at least one of them taking a fae lover and possibly having children with her on Alorya.  Then again, the Aloryan birthrate was so low that any births were seen as a good thing, and taboos such as those against sibling incest were nonexistant.

I'd be very curious as to when the migration from Alorya to the Nine Worlds took place, and what type of relations were maintained afterward.  Do you know any of the details surrounding your adoption?  Also, was it full-on adoption or something more akin to the Celtic practice of Fosterage? (Both were practiced on Alorya.)

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Jarandhel Dreamsinger said:

Ok, brain has digested this a bit more…

It's interesting to me that there's the same light elf/dark elf split you see on Alorya itself, though the reasons for the split seem vastly different.  If anything, I would have described the dark elves on Alorya as the more insular and concerned by bloodlines.  The light elves, at least the individuals I have the clearest memories of, seemed fairly promiscuous in that regard.  I'm aware of at least one of them taking a fae lover and possibly having children with her on Alorya.  Then again, the Aloryan birthrate was so low that any births were seen as a good thing, and taboos such as those against sibling incest were nonexistant.

I'd be very curious as to when the migration from Alorya to the Nine Worlds took place, and what type of relations were maintained afterward.  Do you know any of the details surrounding your adoption?  Also, was it full-on adoption or something more akin to the Celtic practice of Fosterage? (Both were practiced on Alorya.)


 

I haven't figured out much about being adopted save that it was partly because the bloodlines were already failing in Ljossalfheim at that time. And I have no idea of the circumstances surrounding my adoption — haven't tried to uncover that yet, nor have met anybody who knew me then.

AFAIK the migration to Ljossalfheim took place a long time before I was adopted there. My impression is that the Ljossalfar had been in that realm for generations by the time I grew up there. I don't know what kind of relations are maintained now, but when I lived in Ljossalfheim, there was some kind of communication going on with other elven realms, including Alorya. However, Ljossalfheim subsequently allied itself with other places in the Nine Worlds (specifically Asgard) and has a lot of ties there that assumed precedence over its ties to other elf worlds. Or at least that's my impression, looking back.

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ViridianElf said:

 

I haven't figured out much about being adopted save that it was partly because the bloodlines were already failing in Ljossalfheim at that time. And I have no idea of the circumstances surrounding my adoption — haven't tried to uncover that yet, nor have met anybody who knew me then.

Hmm… I might have to poke some of the other ljossalfar I know, and see if this rings any bells for them.

AFAIK the migration to Ljossalfheim took place a long time before I was adopted there. My impression is that the Ljossalfar had been in that realm for generations by the time I grew up there. I don't know what kind of relations are maintained now, but when I lived in Ljossalfheim, there was some kind of communication going on with other elven realms, including Alorya. However, Ljossalfheim subsequently allied itself with other places in the Nine Worlds (specifically Asgard) and has a lot of ties there that assumed precedence over its ties to other elf worlds. Or at least that's my impression, looking back.

My guess then is that the migration would have taken place fairly far in Alorya's past (relative to my incarnation there).  On a hunch, I'd say probably either before or shortly after the accident that created the Waystones, though that's just a feeling and not a direct memory.  I'd also say by my time on Alorya we'd either lost contact or cut off most ties, but I could be wrong about that.  In my time, there were groups of elves who took refuge on other worlds, but never in sufficient numbers to even think about establishing an independent colony; the closest I know of is a group of dark elves that ended up stranded on another world with a Bedouin tribe (supposedly sent there by a less than friendly djinn from Earth, if memory serves) and ended up intermarrying with them to survive.  The civilization they formed together went on to prosper (and considerably mellow out) but the elves never would have made it on their own.  There just weren't enough of them.

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